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Unread postby okolympia » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:02 am

I was driving along, and suddenly my headlights flickered and died. "Uh oh". I turn my brights on. About 2 minutes later the same thing happened!

So I'm literally suck on the side of the road outside of Winthrop and Twisp, WA where the cell service is painfully slow, trying to find the PDF where someone had described how to replace the bulbs, and what kind even goes in there.

Can someone give me a pointer?

I tested the connectors, and they're still supplying 12v.

I'm hoping maybe my roadside assistance insurance can find someone to bring me new bulbs. That or wait till the sun comes up. At least I've got a place to sleep!

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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby David Martin » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:18 am

I have NEVER heard of or had BOTH headlights die at the same time. And then to have the high beams also BOTH die 2 minutes later is crazy. Yet, you say testing the connector at the back of the bulb you are getting 12v.Are you getting 12v between a terminal in the plug and the ground terminal in the plug, or between the hot terminal (low or high) and a ground not in the plug? You have to use the terminal in the plug to test, or you might have a ground problem in the headlight wiring and not know it. It sounds to me like maybe a bad ground wire breaking connection and then making one and thereby causing a voltage surge as it reconnects. And replacing the bulbs would then not fix the problem so you would soon blow the new bulbs. I suggest waiting till AM when you don't need headlights and drive to somewhere bigger with an auto electric shop to prevent repeating this fiasco after buying new bulbs. Something other than the bulbs themselves caused this to happen and THAT is what you need to fix. Also, you can check the bulbs with the ohm (resistance) portion of the voltmeter you used to check for 12v (I am assuming you did not just use a test light to check.) One of the 3 terminals on the bulb is a ground (usually the center one) and each of the other two should have non-infinite reading with a low resistance number between the ground and each of the other two terminals. A burned out bulb will show no change in the reading between ground and the burned out filament (in your case possibly both). Weird, weird, weird.



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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby okolympia » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:45 am

There are 3 pins in the connector. The middle is the ground, and switching between high and low beams alternates which side pin is hot.

I did test the bulbs, and got no sign of conductance.


One thing that seems possibly related- in some pdf, I saw a note about a higher load on the 12v system causing the alternator to wear out. I don't think that happened, but I did have my fridge on 12v and the coldness set to max, which I never do. Almost certainly just a coincidence, but you never know what could have gone wrong electrically.

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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby okolympia » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:46 am

There's no fuse for headlights, correct?

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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby RonOhler » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:10 am

Bad ground to the lights?I don't have time to look up the schematic - I'm already running late. The only things I have ever had that caused both headlights to fail was either a bad fuse but usually there is one for each side - not likely they both would fail simultaneously. Or a bad ground - got this on my truck right now - I ran a separate ground to the light socket.
I suspect it is actually one of the following items.
The first item I thought of that can take out both head lights as described is the loss of battery connection to the electrical system. If the electrical system does not have a battery to help ballast the system it is possible that the voltage regulator would be unable to limit the voltage output of the alternator. Then the excess voltage leads to burning out the head lamps in short time. I have seen it happen in a matter of seconds. I learned this the hard way when I drove a car one mile without a battery in it. I burned out both headlights within 10 seconds when I turned them on.
The other - the voltage regulator failed leading to excessive voltage. Even with proper battery connection it is possible that the high output alternators used in the LS are quite capable of producing excessive voltage. Best,RonO

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I was driving along, and suddenly my headlights flickered and died "Uh oh". I turn my brights on. About 2 minutes later the same thing happened!

So I'm literally suck on the side of the road outside of Winthrop and Twisp, WA where the cell service is painfully slow, trying to find the PDF where someone had described how to replace the bulbs, and what kind even goes in there.

Can someone give me a pointer?

I tested the connectors, and they're still supplying 12v.

I'm hoping maybe my roadside assistance insurance can find someone to bring me new bulbs. That or wait till the sun comes up. At least I've got a place to sleep!
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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby Scott Edwards » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:28 am

The headlights are standard, 2 types depending on your year. Just take to an auto store and they will advise options. The bulbs are held on by a trim ring. Be careful you only remove the trim screws, not the larger adjusters.

As far as why, my guess is that your alternator regulator died and you are putting out a much higher voltage..... check the gauge in your dash if you do not have a volt meter.

Cheers, Scott



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There are 3 pins in the connector. The middle is the ground, and switching between high and low beams alternates which side pin is hot.

I did test the bulbs, and got no sign of conductance.

One thing that seems possibly related- in some pdf, I saw a note about a higher load on the 12v system causing the alternator to wear out. I don't think that happened, but I did have my fridge on 12v and the coldness set to max, which I never do. Almost certainly just a coincidence, but you never know what could have gone wrong electrically.































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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby Larry sr » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:38 am

Probably burned up the alternator regulator. Costs less than a whole alternator and usually a problem if you start blowing bulbs by overvoltage. Should never be more than 14.75 volts. overvolts can blow computers, fuel pump relays etc.


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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby Larry sr » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:46 am

See if you can get the local parts store to order you a Paris Rhone alternator for a 87,88.89 Eagle Medallion...with the 2.2 engine. Lower amp output, also cheaper than getting one shipped next day air from Mobility.


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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby okolympia » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:24 pm

In the morning I drove 260 miles with no new problems. I replaced the headlights and they're working.

The local auto shops can get me the Eagle alternator, but they ask wether have AC or not. My itasca does if course, so I I'm guessing that I need the AC flavor of alternator?

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Re: replace headlights. now.

Unread postby Scott Edwards » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:34 pm

What year are you?



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In the morning I drove 260 miles with no new problems. I replaced the headlights and they're working.

The local auto shops can get me the Eagle alternator, but they ask wether have AC or not. My itasca does if course, so I I'm guessing that I need the AC flavor of alternator?































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